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This is a thread in which you can ask questions of Vostok Lake, whose albums are published by Random Static's Music Division. You may even get answers, if
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Yay! Okay, sorry for any questions you've already been asked a million times before, and I'm pretty certain this is going to be one of them, but I
notice you seem to have a couple of tracks sung in Esperanto, so er... what gives? What's your interest in Esperanto?
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Who can fail to be impressed by Esperanto? A language devised by an oculist untrained in linguistics, living in a backwater part of Poland-now-Belarus, made up
out of whatever spare parts he could find lying around, and it's got hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of speakers to this day, original literature,
translations of most of the great works of the ethnic languages, even children being raised with it as their first language. Zamenhof actually made his
language workable and useful, which, for example, Tolkien never did.
I'm not an active member of the movement at the moment because I have other things to do, but I must say that international Esperantist gatherings are actually quite incredible. You've got a Serbian, an Argentine, an Australian and a couple of Chinese over in a corner, and they're talking the same language which doesn't belong to any of them. They're certainly talking with more fluency and mutual confidence than if they all started using what is actually the defacto international language, Bad English (aka Engrish). Plus, let's be honest, it makes commercial sense - Esperantists will buy anything in Esperanto. Those two tracks on Undinal Songs have gotten orders from France and Slovakia, and those are only the ones that the record company tells me about. I actually got a front-page positive review in one of the major Esperanto newspapers, no lie. A medium term project is an EP made up of E-o translations of Small Group Psychosis songs. - VL The Stacks - the site for
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Yeah okay, that is quite impressive and my knowledge of Esperanto has increased a hundredfold from that post, having previously been limited to a throwaway
remark on Red Dwarf... I'm now slightly ashamed to say. I had no idea that it was effectively a working language and there's something kind of
inspiring about that... point taken about Tolkein who I suppose I'd lump in with Klingon. Do people who learn Klingon talk about anything other than
Star Trek in Klingon? I don't think I've even had that many conversations about Star Trek in English.
Anyway, er... two things: Why the change from Daphne Lawless to Vostok Lake as I kind of got the impression both are very much your own thing rather than collaborative efforts with other people? And just to take it one unfortunate step closer to "what's your favourite colour" - what exactly is a Vostok Lake when it's at home? Sod it! I have to ask? Faction Paradox opera - one hears rumours... More of my usual bullshit available at these locations: |
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There's one dude who tried raising his kid with Klingon as his first language. He got stuck because the Star Trek guys had forgotten to put useful
words like "table" into the language. Plus, it's actually virtually impossible for humans to pronounce - all the sounds are possible but the
combinations just hurt. So they don't actually get it right on Star Trek most of the time.
The adoption of a stage name that sounds like a band was due to the fact that it gets far more respect from venues et al. "Singer-songwriters" are expected to be rather fey young women (occasionally men), handling an acoustic guitar, and staring soulfully into the audience as they whinge about their love lives. And then I get up there with my array of electronics and screaming my head off as I whinge about my love life, and people don't know how to handle it. The other factor is that I have other things to do with my life under my real name and I don't particularly like the streams merging. This should give you sufficient background on the name. Lawrence Miles has himself said that he thinks that the ideal format for Faction Paradox narratives would be opera, but he doesn't think he could write appropriate words. But I should say no more until certain ideas I have have firmed up. The Stacks - the site for
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Language is fascinating, and particularly revealing when it comes to things that just don't translate that well - there's a Nahuatl (Mexican) verb (for
example) which, I kid you not, is most closely rendered as "to drop something upon the ground causing a slapping sound"... so maybe Klingons just
don't have tables...
Nice choice of name having read the Wikipedia article - I must admit 'Daphne Lawless' does not to me suggest pastel songs about forgetting to send a birthday card, but point taken. And you prompt a couple of other questions there... I gather you perform live a reasonable amount, or at least a bit. Would you regard that as kind of the main thing, as in the main point of communication or whatever, or is it more an extension of what you write and record? Not sure if that makes sense. I mean what comes first, performance or putting out the CDs? Or would you regard them as too different to be compared? I suppose I ask because of what I've heard by you, something suddenly clicked with seeing Thank You, Magical Internet on YouTube - it made sense and just seems like a song that needs to be done before an audience. Also, I get the impression you keep quite busy what with this and The Stacks, the chaos Marxism thing, I'm pretty sure other stuff I don't know about - I was wondering how or if all these things feed into each other, or even into your music? More of my usual bullshit available at these locations: |
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I know what you mean. Robert Fripp of King Crimson has said: "Playing live is a hot date; recording is a love letter". I do think that live
performance is really what music is all about, in the sense of communication on all frequencies at once - there are vocal notes I can hit in
front of a generous audience that I can't anywhere else. It's also terrifying and expensive, and if I get it wrong it's very embarrassing and
can't be wiped from the timestream. Come to think of it, the same thing can be said about hot dates.
I'm glad you like the performance vid - the comedy gigs were a lot of fun, but I suppose I got annoyed after a while at the idea that people were digging the keyboard gymnastics rather than my words. And, yes, certainly, everything I do is at least theoretically part of an interconnected "Great Work" of causing something real to change in our memetic environment. Whether it has a hope of hell of success is a different matter, but it keeps me off the streets. Have you read The Revolution of Weightless Music? It gives some clues as to how it might fit together. The Stacks - the site for
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Woah! That manifesto... a hearty toast of beer in the skull of an enemy to pretty much everything you said in that! Jeez - where to start. I always found very
inspirational that Genesis P. Orridge (yes, even though it's him) quote along the lines of the punk groups were saying you only need three chords to
start a band, we (Throbbing Gristle) are taking it one stage further and saying you don't even need instruments. I definitely find it odd how
as music has become potentially more democratic, more accessible, less reliant upon a vast budget or names and faces to shift product (as in the anonymity of
much dance music)... suddenly we're back in 1978 and it's four fucking blokes with guitars doing something that sounded piss poor even then!
Pardon my swearing but I truly loathe "workmanlike" bloke-rock, not least because it seems to represent some sort of cultural imagination reset point
- the factory settings. One of my favourite groups of all time was Vice Versa (who turned into ABC after Martin Fry replaced David Sydenham) circa. 1980ish -
drum machine, two wasp synths, microphone, copycat echo and what few songs they actually recorded still sound amazing even now (that portable ideal)... after
things like that I just can't get why anyone would still want to be Herman's Hermits.
Sorry. Ugh. Sore points. Anyway, you mentioned a performance with four people in attendance. I take it this was hopefully an exception rather than a rule. I suppose the continuing succes of four-blokes-with-guitars bands is that that sort of thing kind of gives you something to look at on stage, but audiences seem less receptive to live music with either less people or less er... visually (guitarlike I suppose is the word I mean) obvious things going on - at least in my experience. I can see thge reason for the keyboard gymnastics but get your point about people focussing on the wrong thing. So er... have you tended to play in environments more conducive to your sort of performance or do you have other stuff going on, films or whatever (or do I remember seeing pictures of backing singers?). Er... oh Public Enemy's production team are the Bomb Squad (not Crew)... also I think you actually can wipe bad gigs from the timestream. Just tell everyone they were great until they can't be bothered to disagree any more. More of my usual bullshit available at these locations: |
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To get why rock music is trapped in cultural stasis, you must realise that this is not the 1970s, where amateurish weirdos could put any crap on vinyl and
non-plussed cigar-chomping corporates would put it out just on the offchance that someone might be crazy enough to buy it. Rock music is now an acceptable (and
therefore very strait-laced) career path that school guidance counsellors will put you on to - and that's precisely why the young people
keep playing it. There's a whole infrastructure set up to nurture "talent" who can sell zillions of records precisely because they sound just
like everyone else, and keep them happy and keep any "rebellion" confined to stagecraft. It sells to kids, it sells to their parents and even
grandparents who can remember when rock music was rebellion.
Modern rock music, much like fascism, is the form of rebellion with the content of conservatism. Kids these days are still listening to Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin because they were pretty much the acme of development of rock 'n' roll - 35 years ago. Would kids in the 50's have been caught dead listening to music from 1920? To ask the question is to get an answer. The form is zombified because the social movement which developed it was effortlessly bought out during the last economic slump. The same has been true of hip-hop since about 1992 as well. I think perhaps the "new rock 'n' roll" is internet trolling. You're right to put out that the forces of production of music are now totally democratic. Sadly, the forces of publicity are anything but. Precisely because any prole can put out whole albums with 500 euros worth of equipment in their bedroom, there is so much out there that the "gatekeepers" in the mass media (and increasingly the blogs) are more powerful than ever. Which is, sadly, why it is not uncommon at all for four paying customers to come to a Vostok Lake gig - and therefore why we don't play live more often, even though it's where our special magic really comes alive. (We actually had quite a few more than that actually through the doors, i.e. mates of the support acts who demanded to come in for free.) Your points about visual reinforcement are spot on the money. The backing singers were provided specially for a previous gig by the promoter - it actually worked well, almost too well, in that the songs with the backing singers achieved rapturous support while stuff where it was just me had people walking out with their hands over their ears (I wish I was exaggerating). Getting projected visuals is something I'm very interested in - if only I could find a graphic artist compatible with my vision prepared to work for free. As to guitarlike, in my darkest moments I consider getting a Keytar, although I generally consider them highly undignified and a product of the musical equivalent of penis envy. But you do identify what's the course of action with the best chance of success - finding venues which aren't "rock bars". What those might be is a question open to further research. Everyone keeps telling me I should listen to Throbbing Gristle / Psychic TV. I saw a documentary about the Sheffield bands and I think I liked what I heard about Vice Versa on that. I also thought the original Human League were surprisingly interesting. The Stacks - the site for
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True (and I guess it stands for creative endeavour in general), the corporate does appear to have become ruthlessly efficient at harvesting/assimilating any
new development that comes up whether it be art, music, whatever. I'd say (musically now) there's still astonishing new things emerging here and there
from their own small sections of the underground, but I guess the only mass appeal anything like that will have now is when it crops up in a car advert.
Maybe to some extent that's why you're not more widely known - listening to at least a sample of your music, whilst I wasn't thinking "wow - I've never heard anything like this before", on close inspection it's actually quite difficult to see you pidgeonholed in an easily marketable bracket. Some of the songs are very funny, but I wouldn't have thought of you as a "comedy act"; and I've seen some comment (not sure if this was you or from someone else) about you having an "eighties" sound, yet it doesn't seem like you're necessarily a revivalist of any sort; and unless I'm listening too hard, some of the words are quite er... intimate and personal and yet as you suggested earlier, Vostok Lake doesn't seem to share much common ground with the generic female singer/songwriter archetype, or at least not with the specific archetype that's been promoted so much these last couple of years. I suppose this isn't a specific question, but if you have any particular thoughts on this.... Keytar - uuuuuugh God. Puhhhhhleeasse! You do realise that had you gone down that road you would now be sporting a mullet, wearing a jacket with the sleeves rolled up to the elbows, and singing in a phoney US accent? Hmmmm. By the way - well done on not singing in a phoney US accent as half the non-US world seems to insist on. It's always a pleasure detecting the traces of wherever someone is from in their singing. I'm not sure if it's true but I heard that The Proclaimers (if anyone remembers them) actually had to be taught to sing with their own Scottish lilt - USisms had become so ingrained. Visuals: so do you have something specific in mind when referring to a graphic artist compatible with your vision, or is it more a case that you'll know it when you see it? TG/PTV - hmmmm... had their moments but I don't know. I suspect you're doing just fine as you are. (Sorry - two days worth of Qs here I expect) This probably goes under the subject of your general marketability or lack thereof I suppose, but listening to those MySpace tracks - I think my only criticism is that I just wish I could get my hands on your mastertapes and take some of that reverb off! You use too much! You don't need it! Anyway, you mentioned elsewhere about having mainly 1980s or early 1990s equipment (me too by the way) hence the sound (though still no excuse for all that bloody reverb! - s'okay I'm only fucking about here, it's
not a major problem) and I find sometimes that can be the first thing anyone might notice about a bit of music. Listening to your stuff a few times I must
admit it soon becomes apparent that there's a good bit of elbow grease gone into the writing, and I wonder how you feel about whether there's any gap
between what aspirations you might have for a specific song as you're putting it together and how it turns out, I mean whether you feel limited by
technology or budget. For example (in case my point is completely incomprehensible) the first thing that occurred to me with Girl without a Past is
how much I'd like to hear it done with a huge orchestra giving it the sort of full-on big screen feel that it seems to (to my ears) strive for. Actually,
the second thing that occured to me upon listening to that song was 'the Faction Opera is in good hands!'
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Hey, man, don't knock the Keytar. Or wearing mullets and singing in a phony Yank
accent. (Link is Geoff Downes rocking out on Keytar with Asia, 1983. It is basically hideous yet you cannot look away. The complete stupidity starts at
4:39 if your tolerance for 80's arena rock is small.) That hot chick from Cobra Starship plays one so I thought maybe they were coming back in among the
cool kids.
I am very very impressed that you have picked my essential marketing problem - that of categorization. Many people have exactly that "I have never heard anything like this" reaction, but sadly not all of them mean it as a compliment. One admirer described me as "melodramatic electroclash", which sounds cool, but it's meaningless if you don't remember what "electroclash" was (early Ladytron, Fischerspooner, Goldfrapp circa Black Cherry etc). And even given that definition I'm not sure it's appropriate to what I'm doing - your mileage may vary, of course. I try slightly more fanciful descriptions, such as those contained on my Myspace, but I'm still not sure whether I get the message across. I mean - if you were trying to pimp Vostok Lake to your acquaintances, what would you say? If you are referring to the tracks from the Anastasia EP with the comment about reverb overload, then guilty as charged - it was just after I'd upgraded to software which was capable of that kind of thing and I went over the top. Also something to do with being kind of ashamed of my vocals and wanting to blur them. I don't think that it's that bad on the "Magical Internet" tracks, and I think I've done it better on Small Group Psychosis, although some preliminary listener reports are still saying "needs less bottom-of-a-canyon vibe", but I ain't going to re-record at this late stage. Notwithstanding that, anyone slightly less cloth-eared than me who wants to do a remix is more than welcome to. All the SGP tracks are in Ardour format which I could slap on a disk! The words are, indeed, extremely "intimate and personal", and they are generally the "point" of the whole act -as you might have noticed, I sing in a very clear and precise manner so they can be understood. (Which is one reason I did like the comedy gigs - people were listening to the words. They don't do that at music gigs.) On my first couple of albums I feel they they tended towards sad adolescent whining, but on the recent work I hope that I've come closer to making them more impersonal yet still getting the point across. I only ever did the comedy gigs because a workmate (a former pro comedian) suggested that I try it - the reason "Magical Internet" is coming out under the "Auxiliary Choir" moniker precisely because the kind of witty, cabaret-type stuff is not really what I'm about. Speaking of which, I hope you like the album version of "Girl Without a Past" - your positive comments no doubt relate to the live version, on which I sing badly out of tune in places because my brain is too busying trying to remember the tricky keyboard lines. The album version will be better (I've cut some of the more elliptical lyrics too). The sad thing about my accent is that, to some degree, I think I actually sing in a phony British accent. One British listener actually expressed surprised at my "strawberries-and-cream Oxbridge vowels", which seems weird to me until you realise that I did spend a lot of my life in an English Literature faculty where that's pretty much a universal tongue. The strongest "Kiwi-isms" in my recorded vocals would be the swallowed short "i" (New Zealanders are popularly reputed to eat "fush and chups") and the disappearance of "l" at the end of words into a kind of "w" sound, which I think we share with the Scots. I actually recently invested in a big grunty synth of 1996 vintage (great Hammond organ sounds), so I suppose I'm coming close to catching myself up in time. But yes, certainly, the downside of the DIY ethic and the rejection of "the music biz" is that I can only create a vague approximation of the sounds and arrangements in my head with the resources and skills I have. I so wish I lived in the good old Prog Rock era when major record companies would pay for overambitious young people to hire orchestras and choirs and crap - pity the knights-in-armour-on-ice wankers ruined it for the rest of us! If the opera gets off the ground, I will try to get some kind of state arts funding so I can hire a bunch of music school undergrads to do the vocals (I am at the moment planning to make the instrumentation entirely electronic just so I can keep as much of it as possible in my own hands). As for the visuals, I am not 100% sure. I suppose my prog-rock roots are showing again that I do think that the kind of thing that Pink Floyd were doing 1973-77 was very good - getting the point of the music across, and avoiding the "look at me" star syndrome. I suppose what I really want to do is musical theatre - the point is not me, the point is telling a story or getting over a vibe. The Stacks - the site for
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I remember electroclash (and liked some of it) but er.... I think "VOSTOK LAKE is interesting and different" (or the words to that effect) might be
the best description yopu had on MySpace. What would I say to people when trying to describe you? The first thing that came into my head was prog cabaret but
that sounds sort of lame and not very appealing now I think about it. Some of the songs are structured in a way that reminds me a little of some prog (it's
the time signatures and some of the higher melodies - whatever the technical term is - I'm no expert though I have a lot of Jethro Tull)... there also
seems to be something about the songs (unless I've been biased) which suggests intimate audiences, though I don't even know about the term cabaret
which (for various reasons) I've come to associate with bloody awful drag acts doing ironic covers of show tunes (and all the other stereotypes you care to
cram in there) so I'm not sure quite how that fits either. I've mentioned this before (I think) but you remind me a little of Tuxedomoon for reasons I find quite difficult to pin down: maybe at the same tangent to
everything else. I don't think anyone quite knew what to call them either.
Probably the right choice with regards to reverb heavy earlier works - better to put all your energies into new material than go over old ground I would say. I'd love to have a go at remixes but er... I never actually progressed beyond 4-track portastudios that use cassette tapes! Hmmmm. "sad adolescent whining" isn't always so terrible and I suspect you might be a little too harsh on yourself in this instance. Some of the most hopelessly teenage lyrics I've ever heard have been on Nine Inch Nails records and yet for me they somehow work. Oh... I didn't actually notice any out of tune vocals (though it should probably be recalled that I grew up listening to out of tune vocals). On this topic (sort of) and apologies if this is a bit of a bland question, but do I recall you mentioning having been classically trained? The general composition and performance of your songs don't really suggest something you just kind of stumbled across whilst learning how to play 'chopsticks'... On the visual side, again I hope this doesn't seem like a bland suggestion but have you considered films? Maybe something put together with camcorders and a PC and then projected? Just throwing ideas out there. Going back to the subject of your er... getting bums on seats I suppose, I realise that aside from the obvious one (Split Enz) and one completely obscure one (Crawlspace records) I'm absolutely ignorant about NZ music. You're in Wellington aren't you? I mean how is the local scene there? Are there like-minded supporters or is it a struggle to get yourself heard over whatever other people are doing? I suppose I'm just wondering if you're finding yourself having to go against an established grain, so to speak. More of my usual bullshit available at these locations: |
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Heh. "Prog cabaret"? It does kind of work - I would certainly go to a performance advertised as such, but we've established that I'm in a
minority. (I've done drag, by the way. I actually won a prize for doing a semi-spontaneous routine to Leonard Cohen's "I'm Your Man".)
Funny you should mention ironic covers - I have a tradition of doing covers of heavy metal songs just for the eye-popping factor (and for the deconstruction of
the phallic mythology of RAWK MOOZIK, parenthetically). AC/DC, Motörhead, Dead Kennedys... I even had a go at Led Zep's "Black Dog" once and
I'm told it was a success!
The foremost "neo-cabaret" artistes on the scene at the moment are of course the Dresden Dolls, and I find them musically and stylistically very interesting - "A Motorway Runs Through There Now" on Magical Internet is intended as a direct homage. However, Amanda Palmer's lyrics drive me up the wall. Mad Larry has accused Neil Gaiman of being cheap and manipulative and serving up just the kind of self-obsessed crap that teenage goths want to listen to - I think he's being unfair, but I actually have quite similar criticisms of Ms Palmer's lyrics. I do hear she's currently doing a project with Gaiman, so there you go. But you may be 100% correct that I should be going for "intimate venues" rather than traditional music pubs. The problem is that intimate venues don't tend to have a good PA and in-house sound engineer, and the point doesn't come across out of a buzzy amp. You are absolutely right to note the prog influence on the structure in places. The intro to "Girl Without a Past" I actually sat down and worked out on paper, would you believe - it's in an additive rhythm and a whole-note scale, for those to whom those words mean anything. As I think I've said, my actual songwriting craft is close to the quasi-prog quasi-singer-songwriter artists such as Peter Hammill, Kate Bush... and, yes, to a lesser extent, Ian Anderson from Jethro Tull (see "Anderson's Jig" on Undinal Songs, so named after a listener said "sounds like Jethro Tull"). As to my "classical" cred, I was taught up to Grade VI piano by a little old lady, and later did stage 1 composition and harmony/counterpoint at University. I don't actually listen to Western concert tradition music for fun (unless you count Wendy Carlos's work), but if you do want to do anything that's more interesting than three chords and a cliché, you'll have to think outside the square sooner or later. De gustibus non est disputandum about the lyrics, of course. All I can say is that I'm quite embarrassed that I can look at the lyric sheet of Undinal Songs and in most cases point out exactly which Evil Ex Who Done Me Wrong they were about. My personal standpoint is that Bauhaus wrote the perfect example of that genre in "Crowds" and any further elaboration is superfluous. You link to the video of "One Step Ahead", actually one of my favourite latter-period Enz songs because of Eddie Rayner's gorgeous keyboard counterpoint. Eddie Rayner is of course one of my personal heroes and a model of exactly how synths should work in a pop song. Probably not a lot of non-Antipodeans know this, but before Neil Finn joined, Split Enz were actually a prog band with a highly theatrical stage act. Their first album, Mental Notes (the original 1975 Australasian version, not the re-recorded 1976 British version) is one of the big infuences on me. I've heard of Crawlspace Records but I've never heard of any of the artists mentioned on that blog (with the possible except of Children's Television Workshop, although of course there may be some confusion there). Another piece of the puzzle is the Flying Nun label bands of the late 80's and early 90's, or at least a subset of them. Look Blue Go Purple's entire recorded output is available on a single CD which you can probably, er, acquire somewhere perfectly legally. Same goes for the Chills, especially the "Brave Words" and "Submarine Bells" albums, and the Able Tasmans are also worth a listen. My partner heard their "Hold Me 1" and commented "sounds like something you'd write". I'm actually in Auckland now precisely because I found the Wellington scene impossible to deal with. But there are no like-minded supporters - with the exception of the management of Random Static Music. I'm going against every grain I can think of. Overwhelmingly, the reaction I get is baffled indifference (expressed in sentiments such as "sounds eighties" and "that's really... interesting"). One big problem is that the equation "electronics = dance music" is very firm in people's heads (they file Ladytron under "Dance" at my local record shop). The only artist anything like me in this town that I know of is Bachelorette, who's significantly more mainstream than I am. Sometimes I think that if there were any supportive audience community anywhere in the world, I would be there as quickly as I could learn to speak Tagalog or Latvian or whatever the bizarre local language was. I'll use films if I find a keen filmmaker. I don't have any preconceptions. The Stacks - the site for
Faction Paradox fanfic and other fanworks
"Larry was with us in spirit" - Kate Orman
(for more of my messed up thoughts on culture, magick and revolutionary politics)
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Well I also quite liked the "a crazy woman and her synths" (if I got that right, on the RS site) - it sort of implies that you don't know what
you'll get but you can bet your life you're going to remember it!
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Now, you see, I have a set of Gentle Giant albums complete up to 1976.
I suppose I'm a bit embarrassed that some of the early songs were actually designed as vicious putdowns, because surely that's an unworthy motivation to make art. "The Reason Why", from Undinal Songs, is a 100% true story. I ran into the person involved only once after that song was written. She said "That was completely unfair". I replied "Yes, it was meant to be". Petty, but satisfying at the time. I think that the new version of "Crowley" on Small Group Psychosis is mixed in a much superior manner, so you have that to look forward to. I played in several groups when I was younger. As I think I mentioned elsewhere, I have an unpleasant personality to go with my very singular musical vision so it was absolutely impossible to find collaborators who were compatible on anything but a superficial level. I would happily work again in a heartbeat with anyone who was compatible - there's no reason why there couldn't be more people in Vostok Lake - but I can't even find people who're close enough to my musical vision to play on the same bill, let alone play on the same stage or on the same album. Girls In Space was just a women's open mike night, at which I discovered in spades how much people hate and fear the one synthesizer on a lineup of eight warbly acoustic guitar acts. To be absolutely blunt, if I had "household name money", I would record in a proper studio with a talented engineer who knows how to operate state of the art equipment. Oh, and get some more vocal training. And also pay talented filmmakers and stagecraftspeople to design a properly theatrical live set. And then take some months off to write the opera, hire professional singers and dramaturges... so I suppose the answer to your question is "everything I'm doing now, only not amateurish". Will react to the links you've posted when home from work. The only thing I've actually heard from Steve Harley to this point is him singing lead on a Rick Wakeman solo album (yes, I know, I have repented). The Stacks - the site for
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I'm just about to hit the sack but I thought I'd drop in briefly. I wouldn't worry too much about Rick Wakeman. My dad used to listen to Criminal
Record endlessly (I think that's what it was called) endlessly when I was growing up so I find it hard to not have a soft spot for him, plus that story
about all his trays of takeaway curry lined up across the keyboard during a Yes gig sort of makes up for the capes and wizard hats.
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Criminal Record is one of his best, as a matter of fact. Steve Harley sings on one track on 1984, on which Tim Rice wrote the lyrics (a
deadly combination if I ever heard on). If you're interested in more hilarious stories of the curry-on-stage form, you could check either of his memoirs,
Say Yes and Grumpy Old Rock Star. The time he smuggled an authentic KGB officer's uniform out of Soviet Russia in the '80s is also a
good one.
The problem with Wakeman is that he's got truckloads of talent, a great sense of humour, and no sense of all of style or subtlety. Nevertheless, you have to respect him in that, even though he's a Thatcher-loving tax-haven-frequenting Tory son of a bitch, he played a gig in Cuba and told the howling masses of US Republicans to get lost when they whined. The Stacks - the site for
Faction Paradox fanfic and other fanworks
"Larry was with us in spirit" - Kate Orman
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Hmmmm. This friend of mine Andy (who I'm beginning to become convinced is the male UK version of you) burned me a Gentle Giant compilation in another
effort to convert me and I just remember all my senses beginning to rebel during some lengthy vocal piece that just seemed to be lots of mathematically ornate
'tra-la-la's and 'pom te pom's. True enough though you can't fault their ambition.
er... I'm losing track here. Small Group Psychosis is the one you've been working on for some time, right? I take it this is due soonish? How come it's taken so long (six years, is that right?)? I get the impression you've either accrued a slightly more sophisticated recording set-up, or your just spending more time on fine-tuning things. Each time I google Vostok Lake I seem to end up somewhere different (today I ended up here - there's a lot of you out there in cyberspace!) and so found myself actually listening (Yay! Great interview technique, listen to the artist in question, duly mentally noted) to a few tracks off the Auxilliary Choir CD and realise that you've developed a much more 'professional' studio sound since the tracks I heard previously. Which makes some of my earlier questions seem a bit dumb with hindsight, but never mind. So what exacty is your recording set-up? Do you do most of it at home? Also, I realise the subject matter seems a little more universal (or a word approximating the same), as in less of the 'vicious putdown' songs. I'm not sure I actually have a coherent point to make here, but this is all starting to click together and make sense with what you've been saying in this thread. Personally I'm quite partial to the occasional 'vicious putdown' song - no matter how personal, a good 'vicious putdown' will usually ring some sort of bell with someone. This'll sound a bit backward but I actually find it quite hard to listen to stuff on the PC (and don't have an MP3 player) so I'd rather wait for the shiny physical CDs before commenting further on individual tracks, but I take it you're very much in favour of the whole downloading deal. Is there not a danger this might make it less likely for you to be able to sell physical CDs or do you not see it as making a lot of difference? More of my usual bullshit available at these locations: |
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Small Group Psychosis is indeed the new album, which has been recorded and just needs a wash and its armpits shaved before I release it on the world.
It's taken seven years to write and record because I have had other things to do in my life (politics, my doctoral thesis, arguing on the intarwebz, etc).
The actual recording that you will hear only began in April 2008, and was mainly done in a hell of a rush over the last Christmas break. The current equipment
is:
- a consumer-standard PC laptop (upgraded from a 2003-era PC desktop) - Ubuntu Studio open-source operating system - USB midi and audio boxes of a generic nature - Ensoniq MR-61, Korg DS-8 and Kawai K1-II hardware synths (google them for the specs) - a vocal microphone, stand and pre-amp - a ukelele. No, I haven't found an excuse to actually put this on the album yet. It's all done at home. Where am I going to find money to hire one of those "studio" dealies, and a talented and sensitive producer? This way, it might not sound particularly like "music" as we know it, but it damn well sounds like me. The whole question of downloading vs CD sales is not unique to me, or indeed to music. You will have seen that Random Static just released Newtons Sleep in free digital format. The admittedly partial research suggests that putting stuff free online actually increases sales in this day and age - it works for Neil Gaiman, anyway. The next point is that since I will never get radio play in any known universe or galaxy (all right, the two times I've gotten a radio interview they've played a track, but that's it), putting the stuff online in at least streaming format is the only way that the casual punter will ever hope to find VL music. That is quite frankly a higher priority than - perhaps - a halving in my monthly sale of CDs from 4 to 2. The Gentle Giant track to which you refer seems to be "On Reflection" - sound familiar? I think it's great, if only as an exercise in intellectual bravado. Gentle Giant could put more weirdness into four minutes than Yes could fit into an 80-minute sprawling epic. Bravo the 70's. PS: have you seen this? That's about the standard of review I generally get. The Stacks - the site for
Faction Paradox fanfic and other fanworks
"Larry was with us in spirit" - Kate Orman
(for more of my messed up thoughts on culture, magick and revolutionary politics)
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Yes, I saw that ectothingy page - it seemed a bit er... "one size fits all" I thought. The Gentle Giant track I remember was I think about 15 minutes
long and consisted of just non-verbal vocalisation without any instruments, although there's a very big chance I'm remembering it wrong. I prefer the
one you linked, and the musical part was great, though the vocal interlude is still a bit too hardcore for me I'm afraid.
Ukelele! Quick - get it on there before the album comes out! I love ukelele, great sound and very satisfying to play. I think you're probably making the right choice (well, maybe it's not choice exactly) with regard to sounding like you over the expensive studio approach. One advantage of being in a larger group is of course that everyone can chip in so the cost of a studio and CD pressing becomes relatively cheap when divided up. The disadvantage is having to play other people's crappy songs and then finding you can barely hear yourself in the mix when the sodding thing finally comes out, thus leading to dissatisfaction and suspicions that one is only in the group as an extra wallet. Not that I'm bitter or anything. Interesting about the download/physical sales thing, and that's not how I would have thought it worked at all. I tend to prefer CDs or something you can hold (though maybe I'm in a minority) though it's true that there's now quite a few things I've got as a result of first hearing them somewhere online. A couple of out-of-the-blue questions here, probably not world-shattering but I'll trust you have something interesting to say as you've yet to disaappoint. What route first bought you to making music? I know you had the training and so on (presumably beginning at a young-ish age) though I suspect it would be an exception rather than a rule that this would necessarily lead on to originating one's own material. Do you have a particularly musical background or was there some other thing that sparked it off? Secondly, I noticed a reference to This Town Will Never Let Us Go in a song yesterday (Thinner, available here). From things you've said in the past, I gather that novel made quite an impression on you. Er... discuss, I suppose? Is Anastasia a recurring character by the way? More of my usual bullshit available at these locations: |
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