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There's another review here. "Slow starter indeed,
but gosh! I'm tempted to hunt down other novels by Mr O'Mahony"
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felice wrote: Yeah, I really need to flesh out the _Review_ there; I got so caught up trying to give a potted background that by the end I was in a bit of a tizzy... :-s
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And another one. Four stars, "a well-crafted, very entertaining
(though at times confusing) time-travel adventure". The plot sumary is a bit mixed up, but that's not entirely surprising; it's a complex book.
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doloras |
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curledup.com wrote:
The Stacks - the site for
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"Larry was with us in spirit" - Kate Orman
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War Arrow |
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Might as well stick this here. I wrote at the beginning of the year with the intention of getting it in The Guardian Review or
similar, except my frequent attempts to communicate with them were entirely unsuccessful, the stuck-up nazi commie kiddie-fiddling skag addicts that they are
(this is actually a last ditch attempt to open up a dialogue and should not be taken as a reference to either the beliefs or lifestyle choices of any
Guardian employee, although obviously I'm only saying that for legal reasons) - not even so much as a 'no thanks and fuck off'. Tried
Death Ray, then I had to move flat and everything got complicated. Anyway here is a review of Newtons aimed at a readership who would (hooray!) in
theory not give a shit about ER ancestry. If anyone wants to use this review for any purposes whatsoever, cut and paste it onto Amazon, send it to a site or
newspaper, even claim it as your own - please be my guest... just trying to pread the word is all...
Lawrence Miles (who originated the line) has sired a mythos which seems almost inimical to pedestrian writing and prosaic ideas. A personal favourite illustration of the latter is the bomb which destroys the meaning of a building whilst leaving its physical structure undamaged, but the dark stars of the whole show (despite being absent from at least two of the novels) are Faction Paradox, the fallen angels of Great House society expelled from the Homeworld for thinking and doing the unthinkable. One memorable example of this was the Faction elder who murdered his own ancestors so as to prevent his own history being used against him; and given the territory, it should therefore not be so surprising that, in exile, the Faction takes up residence in the eleven days excised from the English calendar during the Gregorian reform of 1752. Relative to its Apollonian Great House origins, Faction Paradox is virtually a voodoo cult - dark, unsavoury, blackly humourous, and - to the best of my knowledge - quite unlike anything else that has come before in science-fiction literature. Typically and happily, each new Faction Paradox novel has thus far proven as wilfully perverse and unpredictable as the universe it reveals in microcosm, possibly due to each author using the mythos as a reference point rather than an end in itself, so the emphasis is very much on the highest quality writing. In a fictional conflict where continuity is itself a legitimate target, conventional A to B narratives might inevitably be deemed redundant, which is not to say that the Faction Paradox novels are necessarily a heir to Brion Gysin's cut-up technique, but it sometimes seems as though they might be distant relatives, and in spirit they share more common ground with William Burroughs than with H.G. Wells. Wisely, the improbable scale of the War is mapped entirely in terms of more immediately tangible events around its periphery, and the periphery described in Newtons Sleep is 17th century England. As one might surmise, Isaac Newton is himself a character, although his presence is pleasantly understated thus avoiding the pitfall of his being a novelty "star guest". Less understated is the more uproarious portrayal of author, playwright and feminist icon Aphra Behn whose (possibly apocryphal) work as a spy ensnares her in a minor skirmish at the edge of the War in heaven - as it is termed here. Despite having quite dissimilar roles, both Newton and Behn can be viewed (to one extent or another) as pivotal historical figures without whom contemporary western culture would have turned out very different, and it is this sense of vulnerable history which provides both the setting of the tale and the lure for representatives of the Great Houses, Faction Paradox, and a posthuman culture set many millions of years in the future. This being the 1600s, the narrative remains faithful to its era with accounts of visions, angels, secret societies, and magic standing in for more contemporary (and hence incongruous) descriptions. Whilst this approach sometimes requires effort on the part of the reader, the rewards are great, and even the most fantastic elements become entirely credible within this lavishly woven tapestry of cause and effect as each new chapter leaps back and forth between earlier and later events in the lives of its characters. Although it reads science-fiction on the back cover, it truly feels more like alchemy-fiction. Daniel O'Mahoney writes Protectorate era England with such casual attention to detail that no amount of speculative novelty can break its persuasive spell, and even the more astonishing passages remain true to the whole - astounding the reader for the exact same reasons that they would have astounded Newton or Behn, rather than relying upon the more obvious trick of square pegging the anachronistic and alien into a roundhead round hole, if you'll pardon the expression. Faction Paradox has thus far been an unfortunately troubled imprint built upon somewhat insecure foundations. The first six titles were produced by Mad Norwegian, an American publisher which, despite initial success, ultimately found itself unable to break out of the small press ghetto and was reluctantly forced to drop the line. Some laid the blame on an irregular publishing schedule dictated by literary rather than economic standards, although given the overwhelming enthusiasm and devotion of those making the effort to seek out these books, it seems quite inappropriate to criticise the preference for quality over quantity. If the line had died with Mad Norwegian, the sheer breathtaking perfection of This Town Will Never Let Us Go, Of The City Of The Saved..., Erasing Sherlock and others would remain at least sufficient to justify the sacrifice of the imprint as a whole. It is therefore a wonderful thing that Random Static have not only re-lit the flame, but have done so with Newtons Sleep, a novel which continues and embellishes the Faction Paradox tradition of literary excellence. So here's to the success of this wonderful novel, and a hope for the critical mass that may carry it to a wider audience. If Faction Paradox can turn their own shadows into weapons and build an entire city inside an edit made in the Christian calendar in 1752, escape from the small press event horizon cannot be far off. |
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clockwork tin soldier |
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I tried to submit a review to a trendy art/poetry/reviews sort of magazine that publishes me sometimes, but got turned down on the basis that my review would
be better suited to a sci-fi zine...
I suspect my and your rejections, War Arrow, are a symptomatic of the same widely held assumptions about sci-fi novels - they're niche, they're poorly written, they're generic, they're for geeks etc. Which, to be honest, is not entirely inaccurate with regards to most of them IMO. But not Newtons Sleep, clearly. I have an idea that I might write a review of the book that makes no mentions of Doctor Who, or even Faction Paradox at all, and just concentrates on the percieved 'literary' aspects of it - the historical detail, the wonderful characters, the gorgeous prose, the non-linear narrative, its relation to the Newton/Blake objective/subjective experience debate etc. In true Harry Potter style, I might even include an alternative 'adult' version of the cover, removing that (it has to be said) very geeky logo! It seems very Faction Paradox that a Faction Paradox book should be advertised with no mention of them. As if being spoken to by the Shift, the non-initiated reader should be baffled, amazed and intrigued by these bizarre otherwordly figures hijacking the text and interfering with the plot of what they had previously believed to be a historical thriller.
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This is the review that I had turned down:
"... May God us keep
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War Arrow |
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Nice, Tin Soldier, very nice. Does kind of what I wanted mine to do, except it took me a week to rewrite and rewrite until every last trace of Who was
expunged and the end result (as I think Doloras pointed out) became a bit too dry for its own good. The Grauniad review actually does have fairly
regular reviews of science-fiction titles, although I've realised these mostly seem to be by a guest current big name (Eric Brown most recently) so I
conclude that if there is an anti-science-fiction bias (probable) then it's insignificant compared to the bias against having the COMMON DECENCY TO EVEN
JUST REPLY TO AN EMAIL from someone outside one's own immediate circle of Maoist Hitlerite Bestial-Child-Snuff-Porn Enthusiast Fecal Freaks (worth another
go, if nothing else, Google should bring us some very unusual new forum members) such as I (wouldn't dream of) suggest(ing) are most Guardian employees
(legal disclaimer: I'm lying).
That anti-science-fiction bias: Now that I'm actually starting to read some of it, my urge to apologise for my reading tastes is really starting to wither into dust*. In fact I'm beginning to feel quite defensive, partially as a reaction to what regular acclaimed literary hits I've read which are actually crap (Life of sodding Pi anyone?), partially as a reaction to Jeanette 'best living writer? Me, of course - hey, I'm only being honest' Winterson. * = The only really bad thing I've read in nearly six months of intense reading was one story in an issue of Analog (aliens create giant golden pyramid within which they test two humans regarding suitability of human race as candidates for great interplanetary cosmic brotherhood AND with an added evangelical Christian message). |
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clockwork tin soldier |
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Cheers, very impressed by yours too. You describe the range, the novel and the publishing situation with a much greater flair than I do. The only problem is that, with Faction Paradox, both the real and the fictional backgrounds are SO convoluted that going into any more detail than is strictly neccessary is probably a mistake. You don't want people to back away thinking that this is going to involve lots of homework. In fact it is - but you need a novel of the quality of 'Alien Bodies', and now 'Newtons Sleep', to make you want to invest that much time and energy. So basically, I think the message has to be "it's complex, but f**cking great so buy it now". Re: geeky sci-fi novels, its good to hear you're finding so much quality stuff. However, (and I'm really sorry about this!) I've just started 'Of the City of the Saved...' and its really reinforcing *my* inbuilt snobbery about the genre! It's huge in scope, but somehow feels so... pedestrian. Instead of imparting that sense of grandeur and awe that I love so much about Miles and O'Mahony's contributions, it's just reeling off detailed moment-by-moment description with no beauty of language. I might skip to Lance Parkin's book - what do you think? |
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Oh Fuck! City is actually my favourite of the lot, and it's that 'pedestrian' (maybe I mean a different thing by use of this word) quality
that I like - the sense that casual conversations between Romans and neanderthals just happen and are no big deal, improbable wonders described as typical
daily occurences (I think that's what I mean). Warlords is also pretty astonishing and judging by your reaction to Town and
Newtons I suspect your instinct that it may be more your cup of tea may be right. So er... Enjoy!
Apropos of nothing, I've just discovered lost-ish 70s award winner The Godwhale by T. J. Bass and it's reminding me of Simon Bucher-Jones (well, his writing) - improbable evolutionary twists described in prose that feels lavish to the point of being almost jewel-encrusted or at least the literary equivalent. |
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clockwork tin soldier wrote: I think that's an excellent idea 8) A lot of reviews have concentrated too much on the background, which really isn't relevant at all. I think Newtons Sleep is a perfect starting point, and it is actually the first story in the Faction universe (so far) if you go by War chronology. NB Book of the War is edited by Lawrence, not just "by" - we don't want to ignore the major contributions other writers made to it. |
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clockwork tin soldier |
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felice wrote:Yes, I suppose so. I can only ever think of it being predominantly his creation though. Judging by the unwavering consistency of the 'prose' style, he's clearly responsible for the actual text, and the work involved in making all those ideas tie together must have been far in excess of generating those ideas in the first place. |
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doloras |
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clockwork tin soldier wrote: The funny thing is, while Larry undoubtedly doesn't read this forum, other contributors to tBotW do. So you may be best to use diplomatic language on this subject. The Stacks - the site for
Faction Paradox fanfic and other fanworks
"Larry was with us in spirit" - Kate Orman
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Would any of the lurking BotW contributors like to comment on how much Lawrence rewrote the text of their submissions?
There are a number of places you and War Arrow could post your reviews - here are a few examples: http://www.timelash.com/tardis/display.asp?1684 http://www.amazon.com/Fac...iel-OMahony/dp/047312498X http://www.amazon.co.uk/F...iel-OMahony/dp/047312498X http://doctorwhoforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=12 http://www.sffworld.com/book/7430.html http://www.librarything.com/work/details/27832462 http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf.written |
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felice wrote:Some a lot. Some not so much. Some not at all. The first entry I wrote is in there pretty much verbatim.
Faction Paradox - They're here. They're not here. Get used to it.
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JonDennis |
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clockwork tin soldier wrote:I just want to say every time I see someone says the name Lawrence followed closely by "obviously" or "clearly" they are always wrong. And yeah, the second part of that is just insulting.
Faction Paradox - They're here. They're not here. Get used to it.
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doloras |
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I hope the above statement doesn't include the word "undoubtedly". Because if so, then Larry does read this forum, he saw the
snide rants I made about his Dr Who blog, and there will be an ugly retard called Doloras hit by a bus in his next novel.
The Stacks - the site for
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Not that I don't think trying to broaden FP's audience isn't a great idea, but when the nearest thing the narrative has to a "monster" is
a cousin of Shayde from the ERM comic strip, I think there's a risk of protesting too much about the irrelevance of the background ... (Incidentally, I
have been trying to write a review to put on Spamazon or somewhere for ages but I have never quite managed to get it into shape. I shall bump it up my to do
list.)
And I've always assumed that the Book didn't need that much work on the individual entry level from Miles. The challenge with that sort of encyclopediac style isn't necessarily writing something that sounds right, it's coming up with ideas that are interesting enough to still be gripping in that format. |
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clockwork tin soldier |
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JonDennis wrote:Apologies Jon. What I said was intended more in praise of Lawrence than to the detriment of the other writers, but I can see how it might read otherwise. I was also kind of going on what Mr O'Mahony said in another thread: "As for 'The Book of the War', Lawrence sucked ideas from our brains (he used a straw) then wrote it all himself... " If, going by your avatar, you're responsible for those bits of the book, let me just take this opportunity to congratulate you on that gag about 'Psycho'! Best bit of the book!
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bthogg wrote: Naa, don't be daft! The Babel concept clearly / obviously / undoubtedly ( ) works without knowing about the comic strip. I didn't recognise the similarity until it was pointed out to me, and even then the only things they
have in common are aesthetic aren't they? I came across Shayde in those McGann DWM strips, and he was a sort of arse-kicking Gallifreyan super hero
wasn't he?
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