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mother/father
Posts: 285 21 June, 2008 6:31 PM |
OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG!
That was amazing, almost as good as Midnight last week! And the last few seconds were just spectacular! Bad Wolf! |
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mother/father
Posts: 439 21 June, 2008 6:57 PM |
Steady on, old bean - you'll do yourself a mischief!
With you right up until David Tennant turning up once more. Weird. Tennant's a great ER, but somehow the whole thing just worked better (for me) before it all went right at the end, but true enough there was a lot of it on par with Midnight I thought. Oh, didn't go much on the big hair rock at the end either. Moaning over. I'm done. Anyone else reminded of Lloyd Rose's Camera Obscura for about two minutes? |
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little sister/brother
Posts: 48 21 June, 2008 8:43 PM |
Geek-tastic episode! Layer upon layer of geekery climaxing in a (unexpected from my POV) geek 'money-shot' - Those Two Words!
Loved it. Looking forward to Crisis On Intinite Earths next week, with the whole Nu-ER Pantheon In Full Effec' (was that Harriet Jones in the trailer?) (War Arrow - I don't get the Camera Obscura allusion. I'm probably being thick, but care to elaborate?)
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mother/father
Posts: 280 22 June, 2008 3:38 AM |
Well, Larry's review isn't out yet. Perhaps he thinks that an ep focussing mainly on Donna is beneath him to watch.
But still - I am in awe of his precognitive powers. Remember his snide remark in the blog sidebar about the nervous suspicion that the end-of-season big bad was just going to be the Daleks again? Although if I get to see Gwen Cooper horribly tortured to death, frankly I can see an upside. The Stacks - the site for
Faction Paradox fanfic and other fanworks
"Larry was with us in spirit" - Kate Orman
(for more of my messed up thoughts on culture, magick and revolutionary politics)
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Posts: 331 22 June, 2008 8:00 AM godmother |
Camera Obscura is one of the Eighth ER novels, and features a time machine made from a circle of mirrors. I just read it the other day, so the UNIT
time machine definitely brought the book to mind for me.
Bad Wolf seems to be operating like a Shift now, affecting how we perceive words rather than being inserted into actual physical text. The Cloister Bell always makes me happy 8) |
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mother/father
Posts: 280 22 June, 2008 8:06 AM |
In honour of Larry's precog, I offer my own prediction. Next ep, Cap'n Jack will totally attempt to score with Sarah Jane, and may
even succeed.
The Stacks - the site for
Faction Paradox fanfic and other fanworks
"Larry was with us in spirit" - Kate Orman
(for more of my messed up thoughts on culture, magick and revolutionary politics) |
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Posts: 331 22 June, 2008 8:35 AM godmother |
I was disappointed when it turned out not to be a Metebelis Spider; I wasn't really expecting it would be, but the maid calling it a spider got my hopes
up...
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little sister/brother
Posts: 48 22 June, 2008 8:38 AM |
doloras wrote: I've said, elswhere, that Jack and Sarah Jane should have 'history' - a pre Time Warrior whirlwind romance that ended with jack jilting her, or something. (ER introduces them: "Sarah this is.."Jack: "...I can explain!" SJ (to Jack) - SLAP!) You get the idea. felice wrote: I've read and loved Camera Obscura, yet I'd completely forgot about the circle of mirrors. |
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mother/father
Posts: 285 22 June, 2008 10:06 AM |
The Evil of the Daleks has a room full of mirrors/mirrored steel doesn't it?
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mother/father
Posts: 439 23 June, 2008 4:17 PM |
felice wrote: You too huh? |
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mother/father
Posts: 280 23 June, 2008 7:59 PM |
Larry sez: HOLY CRAP WESTERN CIVILISATION IS DOOMED DOOMED I TELL YIS! Which is why Evil
Renegade is crap these days.
Larry's analysis to me seems very sound (apart from his nonsense about "overpopulation" - there is actually more food per capita today than there ever was, so Malthus was totally full of shit, and the problem is distribution not production or population). But is he going to be like the guy in that New Model Army song, roaming the post-apocalyptic wasteland so he can yell "told you so" at the top of his voice? Or is he doing something about it? If Larry wants to be part of the solution, there are any number of political organisations he could join. And don't give me that crap about "artistic independence" - China Mieville and Ken MacLeod are damn fine, politically committed writers. (Is Iain Banks actually active politically or does he just write about it?) The Stacks - the site for
Faction Paradox fanfic and other fanworks
"Larry was with us in spirit" - Kate Orman
(for more of my messed up thoughts on culture, magick and revolutionary politics) |
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cousin
Posts: 122 23 June, 2008 8:55 PM |
the problem is distribution not production or population Well, exactly. That's been known for years, hasn't it? To be honest, Miles doesn't strike me as much of a joiner. He doesn't strike me as the sort to make the compromises necessary to work with a group on issue X if they don't agree with him on Y, Z, A, B, C, P and Q. (As to Banks's politics, the only positions I know he's taken action over are the Iraq war [he chopped up his passport and sent it to Downing Street in a rather ineffectual protest] and pro-Scottish-independence.) |
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Posts: 331 23 June, 2008 11:40 PM godmother |
There might be plenty of food per-capita right now, but that's likely to change. Western agriculture is heavily dependent on fossil fuels (you know, the
ones we've just started running out of?) and soil-depleting, and the "global meltdown" is going to do nasty things to existing farmland.
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mother/father
Posts: 280 24 June, 2008 12:49 AM |
Yeah, but that's a problem with capitalist relations and techniques of production. The Malthusian myth that there are, or there inevitably will be,
"too many people" and we will need to start up death camps / stand aside and let malnutrition, war and plague take its course seems to be bone-level
accepted by so many people even though there has never been one shred of evidence for it. Makes me think that Larry is right about "media
conditioning".
Anyway: Larry is getting nervous that it may be revealed that Donna is the TARDIS. To which an acquaintance of mine called Jess replies: "But it's Martha and Rose who the Doctor could open with a snap of his fingers!" 
The Stacks - the site for
Faction Paradox fanfic and other fanworks
"Larry was with us in spirit" - Kate Orman
(for more of my messed up thoughts on culture, magick and revolutionary politics) |
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Posts: 331 24 June, 2008 1:24 AM godmother |
If the population keeps expanding, and the planet continues to not expand, then it _is_ inevitable that there'll be too many people eventually. How far off
that point is certainly up for debate - maybe the planet could actually support 100 billion people (though personally I think 6 billion is pushing our luck),
but it certainly can't support 100 trillion.
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little sister/brother
Posts: 28 24 June, 2008 8:24 AM |
Wow. I was actually fairly impressed, but the fact that it impressed you lot, and the ones over at Behind The Sofa, I'm doubly impressed.
Then again, being an ER fan, and being given lots to squee at, it's hard not to like, eh? And yeah, Evil of the.. had them using static electricity and mirrors, right? Touched on again in Time of the... if I recall. |
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mother/father
Posts: 439 24 June, 2008 4:47 PM |
David Whitaker didn't literally expect the planet to be run by a Mexican in the twenty-first-centuryStill, it would've been nice... |
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cousin
Posts: 113 24 June, 2008 5:23 PM |
doloras wrote: I'm considerably dubious whether having one more member of any such organisation would actually make any difference though. To be perfectly honest I suspect civilisation as we know is probably doomed in the long (and maybe the short) term along quite possibly with the human race and most other species on the planet. Humanity has, is and will cause this and the sum total of our efforts to respond can best be described as a joke.
Making such political commentary available to a decently wide audience of who fan's who might've gone there just expecting a review of the latest episode could at least unsettle a few of them and make them think in the way that Lawrence regrets most TV and culture in general not doing these days.
Nice to see that Lawrence actually seems to like this weeks episode |
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mother/father
Posts: 280 24 June, 2008 7:50 PM |
Making such political commentary available to a decently wide audience of who fan's who might've gone there just expecting a review of the latest episode could at least unsettle a few of them and make them think in the way that Lawrence regrets most TV and culture in general not doing these days. Yeah, well, if we're all doomed, why bother? Why not just accumulate as many DVD box sets as you possibly can? Social responsibility of the type Larry speaks of only makes sense if the destruction of civilisation and most life on the planet is not a fast-approaching inevitability. The Stacks - the site for
Faction Paradox fanfic and other fanworks
"Larry was with us in spirit" - Kate Orman
(for more of my messed up thoughts on culture, magick and revolutionary politics) |
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cousin
Posts: 122 24 June, 2008 8:19 PM |
doloras wrote: Ha, good one. Though from what I'm hearing he may yet have cause to moan about other things he developed for the ERAs being half-inched.
felice wrote:James Nicoll is always good for a laugh on the subject of the very crowded future Earth being Perfectly OK Really (he thinks the whole land surface can be made to support population densities equivalent to the highest in urban areas now, and likes the idea). Here's a post on his LJ that seems to support your 100bn number. (Annoyingly, his tagging isn't particularly thorough; I'm sure there are many more.) |
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mother/father
Posts: 280 25 June, 2008 1:00 AM |
Surely at 100 billion humans, the global economy would have expanded to the point where moving most of those people into orbital, lunar or Martian habitations
will be an option. Still, as Ken MacLeod says "there's no profit in space", so perhaps not under capitalism.
The Stacks - the site for
Faction Paradox fanfic and other fanworks
"Larry was with us in spirit" - Kate Orman
(for more of my messed up thoughts on culture, magick and revolutionary politics) |
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